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Linus Tech Tips PTM7950 Review – Original, OEM Product or Fake?

The maximum BLT (Bond Line Thickness)

The measurements of the cross-sections shown make it very clear that the actual layer thickness of the material supplied does not correspond to the nominal thickness of 0.25 millimetres stated on the packaging. Instead, the measured values range from around 112 to just under 230 micrometers, depending on the position.

This range is well below the nominal 250 micrometers and corresponds more to a typical 0.20-millimeter pad, as is common with many OEM supplies from Honeywell or its assembly partners. The visible structure of the material with the fine-grained, evenly distributed filler matrix clearly indicates a genuine phase change material at OEM level. However, the uneven progression of the layer thickness is striking in this combination because PTM pads are normally supplied with relatively tight manufacturing tolerances. Either LTT remnants have been sold or it is from a rejected batch. This is not particularly bad, but it is a fact that the surface is not homogeneous either. The following pictures were taken with different light angles and resolutions:

The reasons for such deviations can only be meaningfully classified if the typical production method is taken into account. Most PTM pads are produced as large cast or coated sheets, which are then calendered to the desired thickness while still solid. The material is compressed between two rollers to its target thickness before the sheets are laminated onto carrier film and later cut to size. This process inevitably creates edge zones in which the pressure drops slightly or the material deforms laterally. This explains the measurement images in which the thickness drops significantly towards the edge or increases again slightly at certain points, depending on how the web has behaved during the coating and rolling process.

Another possible cause is the way the pads are made up. If individual pieces are punched out of a larger web, sections of edge areas with their greater tolerances can inadvertently end up in the finished product. In the case of retail packaging that is tailored to end users, it can happen that pieces of web that are not perfectly centered are used. This is not necessarily a quality defect, but often a question of material utilization, as long as the function is not impaired by the subsequent burn-in. PTM materials in particular compensate for some of their initial tolerances themselves during heat treatment because they liquefy briefly and distribute themselves homogeneously under pressure.

The fact that the average values of the measured thicknesses tend to be around 0.20 millimeters indicates that the underlying raw material actually corresponds to the usual 0.2 mm variant. The specification of 0.25 millimeters on the packaging can have various background reasons. It could be a case of rounding, where the manufacturer’s specification has been deliberately rounded up in order to communicate a wider tolerance. It is also conceivable that the material was intended to be slightly thicker during processing, but the final degree of rolling produced a slightly thinner result. Of course, this cannot be verified without looking at the production batches.

The 3D measurements of the cross-sections also show local compaction and zones in which the material was visibly more compressed. This suggests that the web had a certain degree of micro-roughness or thickness variation in its initial state and that this was not completely homogenized during subsequent cutting. Although the difference between around 110 and over 220 micrometres is significant, it is still within the range of what can occur with large-area, unlabeled PTM pads. Only during installation, when the material melts at around 45 to 60 degrees Celsius and spreads under contact pressure, does the layer level out significantly. For this reason, the BLT after burn-in is the much more significant parameter for the PTM type, while the raw tolerance ex works hardly plays a physical role.

The measured values and the visible structures therefore fit very well with a genuine OEM PTM on a 0.20 mm basis, which was presumably specified to 0.25 millimetres during the manufacturing process, but does not achieve the nominal thickness in practice. Whether this is a deliberate internal compromise or simply part of the material tolerance cannot be clearly determined. However, the subsequent thermal behavior will show whether the burn-in curve corresponds to the known Honeywell characteristic.

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konkretor

Veteran

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Ist der Server gerüstet für den Ansturm? Wenigstens eine Quelle mehr, wo man die PTM7950 beziehen kann.
Wollte das auch mal ausprobieren. Hat wer ne Quelle ohne abgezogen zu werden?

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Smartengine

Veteran

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Japp. Linus wird sicher am Freitag in der WAN Show darüber berichten. Dann kann der Server zeigen was er kann :D

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Igor Wallossek

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Ich würde lieber das PTCM 7000 von Laird nehmen. Ist haltbarer ;)

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Case39

Urgestein

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Case39

Urgestein

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Ich kenn nur tradebit bei Kaufland.

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XotusBlack

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Jupp, läuft seit einem Jahr auf der 6800 meiner Freundin, Hotspot wie festgenagelt bei 85°

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Sixtus

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Tips zur Langeitlagerung?

View image at the forums

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eastcoast_pete

Urgestein

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Halt vorsichtig sein beim schnell mal was zum Essen aus dem Kühlschrank greifen, während man telefoniert und nicht hinguckt😁!

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LurkingInShadows

Urgestein

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Graukäse mal anders, oder wie? :p

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eastcoast_pete

Urgestein

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Auf die Stellungnahme von Linus Sebastian bin ich gespannt! Und auch bei den Küchenrändern stimme ich @Igor Wallossek zu; oft der leckerste Teil, und man sieht es dem Kuchen nicht an, daß man schon etwas probiert hat😄.

@Igor Wallossek : Abschließend die Frage, wie sich denn die Haltbarkeit der PTM von Honeywell von derjenigen von Laird unterscheidet. Ich dachte, daß beide zumindest für ein paar Jahre durchhalten würden; ist dem nicht so? In meinem Fall würde ich ein Notebook (Zenbook Duo) damit versorgen, was leider wegen der dünnen und ziemlich empfindlichen Displaykabel (Band) schon eine leichte Zitterpartie ist. Da ist "set it and forget it" weit oben im Lastenheft.

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Igor Wallossek

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Ca. 30k zu 40k Zyklen. Also ähnlich gut. Aber eben nicht ganz... :D

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Case39

Urgestein

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Zyklen = Aufwärmen/abkühlen?

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Pokerclock

Urgestein

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Ich sehe keinerlei Grund mehr, überhaupt das Honeywell-PTM teuer aus den Staaten in dieser Kleinstmenge zu importieren.

Das Laird bekommt man als 23*23cm-Lappen (!) in vier verschiedenen Dicken für rund 50 € inkl. Einfuhrgedöns bei Mouser.

Da würde ich nicht mal mehr bei TG einkaufen wollen.

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konkretor

Veteran

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Bei Mouser kannst halt als Endkunde nicht bestellen. Für mich ist das auch besser so. Bei Mouser bekomme ich immer glänzende Augen für Dinge die ich nicht brauche :D

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XotusBlack

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Ebenso bei electronicloop ;)

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Wie jetzt?

Veteran

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Besterino

Urgestein

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Also bei Mouser hab ich gerade auch als Normalsterblicher eine Bestellung tätigen und auch einen Account anlegen können. Wollte mir mal meinen Schlepptop vornehmen, bei dem läuft inzwischen die CPU permanent ins thermisch Limit... :/

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tOtErMaNn

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Ha, Danke für deinen Test!
Ich habe dieser Tage erst einige seiner Videos geguckt und mich gefragt ob das ptm7950 von ihm wirklich "echt" ist.
Bin mir sicher, dass sich Linus und sein Team sehr für deinen Test interessieren.
Schließlich ist ein Test mit Igor-Approved ja eigentlich schon ein Quality-Certificate.

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Besterino

Urgestein

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Update: meine Mouser-Bestellung ist auch ganz artig heute ohne Probleme eingetrudelt. Prädikat: empfehlenswert. ;)

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Danke für die Spende



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